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gm0rlz
21st March 2005, 09:04 PM
RADIO SOCIETY OF GREAT BRITAIN



THE FUTURE OF AMATEUR RADIO

LICENSING



BRIEFING NOTE







During autumn 2004 at about the same time that Ofcom published the consultation paper, The Radio Spectrum Framework Review, RSGB was led to believe that a further consultation paper concerning the future of amateur radio licensing would be published, probably early in 2005.



In preparation for that document RSGB intimated to Ofcom representatives, on an unofficial basis, that the Society would be prepared assume the responsibility for issuing licences and all the administration work that would involve. RSGB was aware that Ofcom wished to substantially reduce its financial commitment to licence issuing particularly the resources currently involved.



During February 2005 it became apparent that Ofcom had abandoned the idea of a consultative document and was preparing a ‘proposal document’ that would set out Ofcom’s intended preference and in which some reference would be made to low priority alternatives. This would pay lip service to consultation and instead would confirm Ofcom’s proposals.



The Society began to realise that the intended preference was to tempt amateurs with a free licence for life and then after a few years completely de-regulate our hobby.



The free licence for life was going to be proposed in such a way that amateurs would think they were going to get a good deal and then once that had been accepted Ofcom would re-visit the licensing issue and de-regulate. We must be on our guard as they have made the de-regulation statement both in the ‘Spectrum Review’ consultation documents published in late 2004 and in the yet to be published ‘Future of Amateur Radio Licensing’ consultation document. It is vital that we stop any attempts to de-regulate the hobby, therefore, we must oppose any movement towards a licence for life.



IT IS IMPERITIVE THAT REGIONAL TEAMS GET OUT TO THE CLUBS NOW AND GET THAT MESSAGE ACROSS



De-regulation would disenfranchise all amateurs.



De-regulation would remove the need for examinations.



De-regulation would mean that anyone operating on the amateur bands would not need a licence.



De-regulation would mean that without a licence ALL UK amateurs would be prevented from operating abroad whilst on holiday.



De-regulation would mean that any amateur who moves to live in another Country would NOT have a licence to enable them to transfer to a licence in the new Country.



De-regulation would mean the end of the repeater network.



De-regulation would mean the end of the packet network.



De-regulation would mean the end of all NoVs.



De-regulation would mean the end of band plans and a free for all on the bands.



RSGB is not prepared to see the hobby of amateur radio destroyed.



RSGB does not intend to be enticed by short-term promises of a free licence.



RSGB will do all in its power to prevent deregulation



RSGB has approached authority to highlight the dangers of de-regulation.

As a result of our initial approaches the Ofcom Board has thrown out the immediate publication of the supposed consultation document. They have sent the document back for re-evaluation.



RSGB has 80 years of amateur radio experience.

We know what the hobby needs.

We are prepared to challenge Ofcom arrogance.

We deplore ‘preferred options’ being issued under the guise of consultation.

We will now seek to get a document that is genuinely ‘consultative’



RSGB is prepared to assume responsibility for issuing and renewing licences.



However, when the new document eventually sees the light of day it may still try to de-regulate our hobby.



If that happens we will need every amateur, both our membership and those few who are not members, to be prepared to fight to save amateur radio. If you do not fight, when the time comes, be prepared to say goodbye to operating on holidays abroad, to foreign DXpeditions and all the benefits the hobby brings.



THESE ARE NOT EMPTY THREATS ON THE FUTURE OF AMATEUR RADIO. THEY ARE REAL AND THEY MUST BE ROBUSTLY OPPOSED BY THE AMATEUR RADIO COMMUNITY.



THE RSGB IS THE ONLY NEGOTIATION VEHICLE



SO THE MESSAGE TO MEMBERS AND NON MEMBERS MUST BE





JOIN US TO FIGHT DE-REGULATION



JOIN US TO SAVE OUR LICENCE



JOIN US IN THE FIGHT TO SAVE OUR SPECTRUM



JOIN US TO SAVE OUR STATUS

gm0rlz
21st March 2005, 09:05 PM
Looks like we all might be CB ers again soon!

colin

MM0BSM
21st March 2005, 09:27 PM
where is the april 1st date?
:mrgr

MM0BSM
21st March 2005, 09:43 PM
cant find it on the rsgb site

seenthe post a few times in newsgoups but cant see where it actually came from

can reading somewhere the report was delayed till next week but cant find that now

gm0rlz
22nd March 2005, 11:50 AM
The information came from Bob GM4UYZ RSGB rep so dont think its an April fool anyone wants the original press release email me.


Colin

MM0BSM
22nd March 2005, 12:19 PM
RSGB STATEMENT REGARDING THE FUTURE OF AMATEUR RADIO LICENSING
http://www.dcc.rsgb.org/ (http://www.dcc.rsgb.org/)

still nothing on RSGB site and reading the pdf isn't any clearer

I emailed RSGB to ask if its authentic or not and if it is then I think they should post on the main site to let people see.

That's the only place I have seen it mention published
the PDF file is not clear where it came from either just refers to the publisher in its properties but that's easy to do so could be anyone

If it is true its only scare tactics by the author as nothing is solid on it yet

It will cause endless problems on the airwaves if the ofcom proposal gets the go ahead but then what exactly is ofcoms proposals as there is no reference to where they got this info

interesting time a head

MM0NDX
22nd March 2005, 05:17 PM
Who wrote this?
Nobody in officialdom has signed it..it's just from the RSGB.
No dates, no callsigns..

MM0BSM
22nd March 2005, 06:43 PM
rsgb have not responded to this yet

several people are posting it some with rsgb logo others not nobody seems to know much about it all they seem to say is I got this from so and so
or it came via so-so and must be real so pass it on let all know about it.

so until it can be sourced from official source or at least posted on RSGB web site its pointless as its only proposals that might never happen

no contact names no references not enough info
so may as well just wait and see what ofcom release next week

MM0NDX
22nd March 2005, 06:53 PM
Yeah, i'd have thought Peter Kirkby or someone "high-up" in RSGB would've put a name to it...anyway, we await. Think the phrase 'a pinch of salt' bests sums it up until it's 100% true or false...catchya.

gm4vgr
22nd March 2005, 07:04 PM
All I can say is that the copy passed on by Brian came from Tom MM0BHX who is the local RSGB rep

gm0rlz
22nd March 2005, 07:29 PM
The information i posted came from Sylvia Manco who is a member of RSGB HQ staff who has be actively involved in negotiations with OFCOM on a number of spectrum issues. So this came out of RSGB HQ.

MM0BSM
22nd March 2005, 10:17 PM
well a little more raking has uncovered a few more versions and with the looks of things its a view only from individuals at the rsgb :confused: who seem to be crawling faster than they can run its been suggested that 4 names wrote the said document but none are signed or confirmed that's commitment for you:scratch

think they are scare mongering on things that haven't been done it would be best to see what OFCOM propose then take it from there or is that being to logical?:idea

Maybe a way to try and get more members or to be seen as doing something.
in the end it will be ofcom who decide and if it goes the wrong way then surely it could be taken to ITU or something

If they {rsgb} were the ones to released this then as for representing people it was the wrong way to do it if on the other hand its a unfinished leak that would make more sense will no doubt be more to follow in the next month and Radcom will have a story on it probably if not I am sure the letters section will

Anyway with the way things are going nowadays its harder to work stuff on the radio without all the qrm from manmade stuff so will end up the same either way and also with the new regulations on the ham ticket does it really matter as it seem people can get a ticket easy with the deregulation it just means maybe a little more will come on and cause more qrm do what they want if they don't already anyway:wink

So what will stop people pirating:pira or sending music over the frequencies, using frequencies they should not and so on

The overall picture is hard to believe could really happen but then maybe that's the idea once everyone is fed up and bored they can sell the frequencies to the highest bidders

On another thought does that mean if it was to be true we could run 10kw on the ham bands hey Colin better get those valves out and start building, that monster psu will come in handy ohhhhlaaaaa ohhhhlaaaaa:eek:

MM0NDX
23rd March 2005, 12:04 AM
This is taken from M1LCR on Usenet:eek:
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I was at the Blackpool Rally, and spent an hour and a half listening to
Peter Kirby (General Manager) present a quite well written and thought
through presentation of the facts, regarding The Future of Amateur Radio
Licensing.

About 40 People heard his presentation.

The document on the DCC Website is a summary of exactly what he had to say,
and there is little point repeating the contents here.However the following
came out of the meeting:

It appears that Ofcom want to de-regulate amateur radio. There are 4
options:

1. Do nothing (remain the same)
2. A licence for life
3. A five year licence
4. Do nothing let it get de-regulated

Option 1, we where told is not an option. Ofcomm have to do something.
Option 2, may on the face of it seem great, but de-regulation would appear
within a few years, and we'd all end up as Option 4.
Option 4, a free for all.

Option 3, appears to be the way the RSGB want to play this. The apparent
plan, is to issue a 5 year licence, for the sum of £50 (which is £10 pa),
issued by the RSGB. Licensing and Examinations would remain in tact.

A number of points also came out from the meeting, in as much that since the
demise of the RA, who apparently had 9 Amateurs on the staff, Ofcomm has now
got only two amatteurs on the staff, and they are due to go on the 31
Decemeber. Ther appears to be no technical input into Ofcom, at the moment.

The RSGB are (we where told) is tackling the problem from a number of
angles. Essentially there would be no control (if de-regulation comes in) as
to who can transmit. So at the lower level Pirated callsigns etc to the
higher level, of willful interference. And remember, the RIS doesn't really
exist anymore. The angles they are tackling it from are from other
"interested" bodies, such as the CAA, MoD, Home Office etc, to whom
de-regulated owners of transmitters could cause significant problems.

At the end of his presentation, Peter Kirby took questions from the
audience. Prior to this meeting, I understood that ITU Regulations were
just that , Regulations. Apparently not anymore. They are Reccomendations,
and as such Ofcom do not have to follow them. This means that Ofcom can and
do have the power to de-regulate the spectrum whatever way they choose to do
so.

MM0BSM
23rd March 2005, 06:48 PM
only thing on rsgb site about it now

High Level Discussions on the Future of Licensing
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* Following an invitation from the Board of Ofcom, a delegation led by the President,
Jeff Smith, MI0AEX, is meeting the Vice Chairman of Ofcom, Richard Hooper, and
Ofcom's Operations Director Vic Brasco on 24 March to discuss the future direction of
amateur radio licensing and the possible lead on to deregulation of amateur radio
over the next five to 10 years.

The RSGB is strongly opposed to any steps that Ofcom may take to bring deregulation
on to the agenda and will fight hard to maintain the status of radio amateurs and the
privileges they currently enjoy.The outcome of these discussions will be published as
early as possible via this news service, the RSGB website, RadCom and other amateur
radio publications.

GM4SVM
25th March 2005, 11:55 AM
Amateur Radio is covered by international treaties and conventions.

The UK government can't unilaterally deregulate and allow a free for all.
Its just not possible under international laws that the UK government has signed up to.

The real problem is that things are becoming "unregulated" rather than "deregulated".
There is no disincentive for an MM3 not to run 400w as there is no active RIS now and they are not going to get caught.
If you take that level of unregulation as the way things are then having an annual licence becomes rather pointless. The reason for having annual licensing is to keep the address details of licencees up to date so you can pay them a visit!
If you don't plan to visit them you don't need accurate addresses.

So you then go to one class of licence valid for 10 years or more (like a driving licence).
This would effectively mean a lower entry level, and only one entry level.
Its not deregulation, but it does mean that anyone with a day or so to spare can get a licence, and then have it for a very long time.

On the one hand the RSGB would welcome that as it increases the number of people having a licence, but it does mean there woudl be no revenue from licences and the RSGB themselves were keen to get the contract for issuing them.

Its all a bit muddy until OFCOM clarify what they are proposing.

Unregistered
25th March 2005, 05:34 PM
Must Have Been Cb`r Wrote This

MM0BSM
25th March 2005, 06:41 PM
and not hard to guess who
Falkirk area person with similar ip address
come on own up stop being silly

Unregistered
26th March 2005, 10:14 AM
The Quote Must Have Been Cb`er Writing This ....


Was Meant In Example

Cb Had Same Imposed On It A Year Ago But Never Came To Light....
They Had Last June In Black N White For Deregulating It....

Just Couldnt Resist The Quick Commment Chaps ......
When It Was Said We Will All Be Cb`ers (pick On Them) Hi Hi


Aka


Hightower


Aka


Ozy


No Offence Was Intented But Must Of Rattled A Cage Lol!!!


There Am Rumbled

MM0BSM
26th March 2005, 10:49 AM
so why not reg a user name?
give us more input from your perspective:mrgr

GM1BSG
26th March 2005, 11:52 AM
:mrgr Good one Davy

At the end of the day if a lifetime or extended term license was tabled it would be no big deal.

In the way of things I can see the current management of annual licenses being out weighed by the administration costs of issuing them. £ note issue, nothing hidden.

I do believe strongly that the license system as it is presently is going to be changed, OR offloaded onto someone else, but as it is currently a government granted license I do not see it being easy to move the repsonsibility/authority for licenseing to a third, independant party such as the RSGB. I would reckon that would be a legislative process so would take considerable time and well documented prior to approval by the SOS.

MM0OZY
26th March 2005, 03:10 PM
:joke
I canni hide now stu ....


cheers


DAVY


THE POWERS THAT BE ARE ALREADY GUILTY OF NOT DOING THERE JOB!!!!!!!!

WHAT THEY GETTING PAID FOR????

ALL THEY ARE INTERESTED IN ARE THE COMERCIAL SITE OF THINGS

BEEN THERE! TALKED TO THEM! AND GOT IGNORED!! ABOUT HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF POLICE BROADCAST OVER THE AIR.....

MM0BSM
27th March 2005, 01:23 PM
The RSGB delegation was warmly received and our concerns discussed at
some length. The following was agreed -

* *Deregulation is not an option*
* A revised consultation document will be placed before the Ofcom Board
at their meeting on April 5th.
* Subject to approval the document will be published within a few days
of the Board meeting.
* Ofcom and the RSGB will meet again toward the end of April or
beginning of May.

MM0BSM
1st April 2005, 02:31 PM
seems this is still getting talked about:mrgr

THE RSGB were wrong its more like they are worried about money than members

to look at it maybe they shouldn't have done what they have over the last few years {rsgb}

Was this just to try and get new members ?
the last thing was crazy giving membership to thousands for a guinea{spelling}
What did the dedicated members get SFA!

well I will use them for what I can and I will have a long think about rejoining.

They couldn't even answer an email I sent enquiring about all this
selective services I think